InterviewDagmar Steinert, Rheinmetall-CFO

Rheinmetall regularly evaluates potential acquisition targets

Rheinmetall has not concluded its acquisition endeavors with the purchase of ammunition manufacturer Expal. CFO Dagmar Steinert is keen on further consolidation in Europe while also navigating the challenge of financing the company's rapid growth.

Rheinmetall regularly evaluates potential acquisition targets

Ms. Steinert, the war in Ukraine has opened up numerous growth opportunities for Rheinmetall. However, this growth also comes with challenges, as evident from the buildup of inventories. How do you handle this situation?

On one hand, we need to finance the growth, which includes expanding our capacities. Our capital expenditures for assets are expected to reach a peak of up to 700 million euros in 2023, whereas we typically invest around 5% of our revenue. On the other hand, we are dealing with long-term contracts and manufacturing with short-term demand. We have made significant advances in anticipation of these orders. This means we are building inventories to be able to deliver promptly when the orders come in.

How do you finance the buildup of inventories? Your suppliers probably won't take into account that you are making advances.

Our free cash flow is typically generated in the fourth quarter. In the first three quarters, we make advances. This year has been significantly better than the previous year because we have received customer prepayments or milestone payments. Nevertheless, we usually experience a weak or negative operating cash flow in the first three quarters and then collect all the money in the fourth quarter.

In the first half of the year, 325 million euros were used up operationally. Do you still manage to generate a positive cash flow for this year?

In 2022, we had an operational outflow of funds for the whole year. This year, we have already significantly improved our operational free cash flow. In the first half of 2022, we had an outflow of funds of over 600 million euros. This year, we will generate positive cash flow at the lower end of the 4 to 6% range.

What explains this seasonality? Do your customers pay only at the end of the year?

It's related to revenue recognition. Our business is influenced by customers who tend to order and pay for products towards the end of the year.

We want to avoid creating a gap that could negatively impact the security preparedness of individual countries.

Dagmar Steinert

Is it because states only know in the fourth quarter what the defense budget allows, for example, to place orders from framework agreements?

It used to be the case that some spending occurred at the end of the year. Today, it's more about ordering processes and procedures. Many things go through parliament; contracts have to be negotiated before production begins. This naturally puts us in the second half of the year. That's why we make advances. We see the demand, and we can predict orders well in advance. We want to avoid creating a gap that could negatively impact the security preparedness of individual countries.

The financing situation has become more challenging due to inflation and rising interest rates. In your interim report, you mentioned "mitigating risks in energy and procurement markets." What do you mean by that?

Let's start with energy. We have long-term electricity supply contracts, even though our business is not energy-intensive. Inflation affects us in terms of the supply chain. However, our long-term contracts typically include adjustment clauses.

Payment timelines

Your customers in the defense business are primarily governments. They are usually not the most punctual payers. What about payment terms and reliability?

Customers are procurement authorities and thus governments. As a result, we usually don't experience defaults. For long-term contracts, we receive down payments or milestone payments, so we don't see this as a significant risk.

But that doesn't speak to payment reliability.

Payment timeliness depends on the countries. We can't precisely predict when payments will be made. There might be slight delays, leading to a significant variation in operational cash flow because the payment is postponed by a few days. We don't have control over that.

How do you consider this in your liquidity planning?

That is indeed a challenge. From a business perspective, I don't care whether a payment arrives on December 30th or January 2nd. From an accounting perspective, it obviously makes a difference. But our investors are aware of the situation and can put it into context.

You are going ahead and make advance investments. Is this the price you are willing to pay to be considered for contract awards? Or are you already established as a supplier for government contracts?

We are a good partner for our customers, delivering technically excellent products, but we don't win every bid. We are, of course, subject to competition.

Symbolic groundbreaking for the construction of the factory in Weeze where Rheinmetall will manufacture fuselage components for the F-35 fighter jet. Image: picture alliance/dpa/David Young

Rheinmetall has been chosen as a partner for the F-35 fighter jet. You are manufacturing the fuselage midsection and are currently building a factory in Weeze. How much does this cost you?

For the construction of the factory alone, including the land, the amount is approximately 100 million euros. Conversely, our American partners provide us with the necessary technical equipment.

The Ministry of Defense has demanded the participation of German companies.

Dagmar Steinert

Why did your partners choose this approach?

The Ministry of Defense has demanded the participation of German companies. We are constructing the facility in Weeze not only for the 35 German aircraft but for all F-35 planes that are intended for delivery outside the US. We expect to supply a minimum of 400 fuselage midsections. This is a huge order for us. After that, we naturally want to negotiate service contracts. The factory is fully booked for years, if not decades. If not for that, there wouldn't be any justification for us to build a facility in Weeze.

In July, you completed the acquisition of ammunition manufacturer Expal. You financed it in January with the issuance of a convertible bond. Why did you choose this instrument?

Because it's a simple, fast way to raise that much money in the capital market. Unlike bonds, a prospectus is not required for convertible bonds.

What about the pricing? Is the convertible bond cheaper?

In the end, the pricing is comparable, but there are differences in the balance sheet because the conversion right is shown in equity.

Photogenic: C'FO Dagmar Steinert posing with the Survivor R, for which Rheinmetall manufactures the armored body. Image: Rheinmetall

You had a lot of lead time. If you had wanted to, you could have turned to the bond market.

Due to the capital market environment, the Board of Directors and the Supervisory Board opted for the fast route, especially since we expected interest rates to continue rising. Time was also pressing to complete the financing before the year-end financial statements. This also spoke in favor of a convertible bond because it could be completed in January. The Schuldschein market did not offer sufficient options for our needs. Also, considering the volume of 1 billion euros, it was important for us to split the amount into two tranches with different maturities.

Has the acquisition literally depleted your acquisitive power?

No, not at all.

That was a fast answer. What's next on the agenda?

There is currently nothing significant on the horizon, at least nothing I can report on. But, of course, we are interested in European consolidation and regularly explore various targets.

I fundamentally believe that there is room for further consolidation in Europe.

Dagmar Steinert

Speaking of European consolidation: There was an agreement with France that they would take the lead in joint projects for air defense, while Germany would take the lead in ground defense. Is that idea now dead?

That's not entirely accurate. France is leading the FCAS project, which is the future air combat system, and Germany is leading the MGCS, which is the future armored combat vehicle system. Apart from the MGCS, we have developed the Panther, which can meet immediate needs and is attractive to client countries where the MGCS project is not applicable. Regarding consolidation: I fundamentally believe that there is room for further consolidation in Europe.

Due to the Expal acquisition, your debt tripled compared to the end of 2022. What is the limit?

For me, maintaining an Investment-Grade rating is an absolute necessity. Even after the Expal acquisition and the debt-financed purchase financing, our Investment-Grade rating remained stable. Moreover, there is still significant leeway in our financial contracts' financial covenant, which relates to the ratio of net debt to EBITDA (Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization).

Acquisitions are likely to be limited to the defense sector. In the civilian business, the decision to sell the piston business took a while to be partially implemented – you completed the sale of the large piston business in January. What are your plans for the small piston business now?

We have already started the process of selling the small pistons and are currently in talks with various investors. I am confident that we can conclude a deal soon.

Rheinmetall has regularly been discussed in the past regarding the split between the defense sector on one side and the civilian business on the other. Is this discussion gaining momentum again, especially considering your recent growth focus on the defense sector?

In the civilian sector, our goal is to develop new technology fields. Of course, we regularly discuss how to proceed with this sector. However, there are no specific considerations at the moment.

With the new organizational structure introduced by Rheinmetall in 2021, the debate was supposed to be settled. Nonetheless, the businesses have not completely merged, as demonstrated by the cyberattack in April, which specifically impacted the civilian sector.

We have two separate IT systems, which worked to our advantage during the cyberattack. However, there are some points of connection and interaction between the two.

Meet the person

Since January of this year, Dagmar Steinert has been the first woman in the three-member board of Rheinmetall. She is responsible for the company's finances. What might feel like a turning point for the defense and automotive conglomerate is not a new experience for Steinert. She was also the first woman in the board of directors of her previous employer, the Mannheim-based lubricant manufacturer Fuchs Petrolub. With responsibility for the company's finances, the 59-year-old holds a prominent position, ensuring that the ambitious promises in the booming defense business are financially viable.

There are no easily quantifiable synergies, are there?

We don't have market synergies. Nevertheless, we collaborate on the technological level. For instance, in the production of hull components in Weeze, we combine our experiences from the military and civilian divisions. Another example is the new production line for Gepard ammunition in Unterlüß, which was designed by the civilian sector.

Rheinmetall's focus is clearly on the defense sector. How long will investors remain passive?

We are currently divesting the small piston business. The remaining civilian sector is undergoing a technical transformation, and we are confident that it will increase profitability. We'll have to see how it further develops.

Are you already feeling pressure from investors?

No.

Does it help that the governemnt must give its approval when individual investors buy larger shares?

No, that doesn't matter. If you look at companies where activist investors have been active, we're always talking about stakes of a few percent. A high stock price is the best protection against activist investors.

Stock price more than doubled

Since the outbreak of the war in Ukraine, the stock price has increased by more than 250%. Investors' perspective on defense stocks has changed. How do you perceive this?

The so-called Zeitenwende by Chancellor Olaf Scholz has brought significant changes, both economically and in public perception. The perception has shifted positively, reflected in a substantial increase in the number of job applicants.

Are defense stocks now socially acceptable from an ESG perspective?

There have always been investors who didn't shun defense stocks, and others who would never invest in defense. The acceptance has significantly increased.

Have you attracted new investors?

The investor circle has not significantly changed since the outbreak of the war. Perhaps the concentration of the top 20 investors has intensified, but Rheinmetall's institutional investors have always been predominantly from the Anglo-Saxon region. Institutional investors make up about 70% of our investors, with the majority coming from the Anglo-Saxon region.